Subject	Agreed. Hopefully this will bring prices down!
Posted by	mm_95TT on March 20, 2003 at 12:30 AM
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In Reply To	Follow the Money:):)n (Very Long) posted by TwoZs on March 19, 2003 at 10:38 AM
Message	One reason JWT has been able to charge so much for ECU programs is that he has had a monopoly on the market. I'm glad Ash has stepped in to provide an alternative. The value in what JWT has done lies mostly in all the R&D (dyno testing) that he has done to provide reliable ECU programs and customer support. But $600+ for a socketed ECU and chip? $100 for a minor change? Come on! Likewise, Ash has put significant effort into developing software to aid user-friendly tuning. This has a market for sure. But, it has been shown that this software is not necessary, and the hardware can be had for less. The convenience factor has a price, but we have to see that normal market forces set it! I hope this public posting will encourage cheaper and better quality tunes. Ease of use is worth something, but the going rate has to change. Frankly, I like the idea of "standard issue" tunes for free. This will of course make the ECU vendors nervous but the free flow of information will benefit the 300ZX community as a whole.
Follow Ups	AshZ, being a big cry baby? - Z from Japan 06:53:53 03/19/03 Forget IRAQ here comes the next BIG war. Brace yourself (n/m) - RED ZYA IN CT 07:09:45 03/19/03 when hasnt ash been at war with someone? - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:37:22 03/19/03 Protecting interests. Its a common thing to do and - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 07:24:53 03/19/03 I really wish you could see it from 'our' side (ttnetters) (n/m) - niXit 07:27:05 03/19/03 Elaborate Nick. I need for the world to be a better place> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:33:22 03/19/03 I don't see what the big deal is anyways.. - Carlos Ramirez 07:37:23 03/19/03 Its not really a big deal. I was just wanting to know - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 07:43:52 03/19/03 I understand, work on a better product now :-) - Carlos Ramirez 07:52:26 03/19/03 Carlos is right. Competition = better products / prices (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 07:46:02 03/19/03 i think some one also posted this when ppl where comparing - Halo Z 11:05:07 03/19/03 ROFLMAO...Kettle Black..Come on Ash you of all people---> - Kyle(Houston) 07:53:08 03/19/03 Let me be honest when I say ... - MatD 08:06:23 03/19/03 word! uh ditto.. (n/m) - djhh212 08:34:23 03/19/03 2nd that...Thanks for sharing this information. (n/m) - brahmabull (NoVA) 08:09:33 03/19/03 Agreed - These are interesting times we live in. (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 10:48:54 03/19/03 Cool. I'll take a tuned chip for $6. What the heck, I'll - hoss 08:15:06 03/19/03 ok so im supposed to do business with ashZ , does this mean - djlunc94 08:29:47 03/19/03 As a consumer it is your decision. But keep in mind that - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 08:34:02 03/19/03 well, listening to friends that have gone through ash - djlunc94 08:38:21 03/19/03 come on unveil those babies! :-) stop teasing us (n/m) - TARGETZ 10:23:29 03/19/03 For real! that sig gets me everytime (n/m) - Chaaarmndr (NoVA) 11:08:07 03/19/03 2nd! :) (n/m) - stumbleshoe 11:13:11 03/19/03 So share your knowledge like Devon has -----> - Kyle(Houston) 08:44:38 03/19/03 What about yours Kyle? Let's ALL walk the walk ;-) (n/m) - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:47:05 03/19/03 Actually I got got my Romulator and Chip burner the other--> - Kyle(Houston) 08:57:11 03/19/03 Cool. Just so there's a clear delineation of "basic program" - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:00:57 03/19/03 Devon has made available the basic 300zx ---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:05:29 03/19/03 I'm well familiar with Devan's info. My question is>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:09:53 03/19/03 question answered---> - Kyle(Houston) 09:18:00 03/19/03 Thanks. - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:28:28 03/19/03 Proof That The Info Is Incomplete and Incorrect? - Alex Lee [DE] 08:49:42 03/19/03 how about this, posted on his own forum..... - the_real_dummy 11:02:54 03/19/03 Yeah, you know who told him that? >>> - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:49:26 03/19/03 Ok, point out EXACTLY were its dangerously wrong - Good2Zya 10:03:46 03/19/03 Hey Fred... - TARGETZ 10:17:13 03/19/03 LOL..no. Hell my last name is...french..(cough gag throwup) (n/m) - Good2Zya 11:42:57 03/19/03 But yes, it did need an addition Todd. Look now - Good2Zya 11:49:52 03/19/03 LOL agreed! :-) (n/m) - TARGETZ 11:58:23 03/19/03 Devan, gimme a price and I'll take some. I'll give you>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 08:44:56 03/19/03 Good post. (n/m) - Sportzcoop 08:51:19 03/19/03 Todd..If you want I will Email you the .Bin files I have.... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 09:00:24 03/19/03 I have the ones from Devan's site. Great site by the way. - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:03:24 03/19/03 I think you are missing the point -----> - Kyle(Houston) 09:13:49 03/19/03 Trust me, I understand the point-----> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:22:55 03/19/03 What is the product????-----> - Kyle(Houston) 09:30:42 03/19/03 Your emulator will not work with my software. - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 09:44:13 03/19/03 Really???----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:13:57 03/19/03 Right. Device authentication. Software looks to see if - AshsZ (FabZEM All) 11:21:45 03/19/03 oh wow, thats going to be IMPOSSIBLE to get around lol - Jack B. 11:27:58 03/19/03 and it's simple to install ;) - the_real_dummy 13:49:44 03/19/03 >>> - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:48:29 03/19/03 OMG, you are ASKING ppl to hack your software - mm_95TT 22:31:35 03/19/03 Come on. Let's not digress. -------> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:45:09 03/19/03 You still do not understand----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:11:06 03/19/03 Kyle, Christ, I understand. I'm just willing to admit>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 10:25:56 03/19/03 but again how is Devon competeing???---> - Kyle(Houston) 10:38:50 03/19/03 the term "open source" is over todd with 2 Ds head. - Halo Z 12:16:51 03/19/03 Rick with a P, none of this applies to NA's that don't run - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 13:38:00 03/19/03 HAHA "P" you're phunny - Halo Z 15:28:07 03/19/03 100% Correct - Z from Japan 10:39:27 03/19/03 Do something like a double blind test >>> - Mal1ce 09:16:36 03/19/03 Good idea (n/m) - stumbleshoe 09:17:49 03/19/03 Unfortunately, I do have an interest in protecting>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 09:27:19 03/19/03 Re: Unfortunately, I do have an interest in protecting>> - SactoTodd 09:52:35 03/19/03 By definition a double blind study means you don't know>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 10:00:30 03/19/03 Ship ALL EPROMS to me, I will number them and randomly - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:06:55 03/19/03 This is NOT a competition!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 10:14:50 03/19/03 Maybe not for you, but it sounds like at least one shop - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:34:35 03/19/03 LOL ----> - Kyle(Houston) 10:42:38 03/19/03 are you hiring? i'll be out of work friday. thx. - niXit 10:48:36 03/19/03 I am looking for a job myself right now - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:56:43 03/19/03 WTF? that sux - aliaZ 11:33:52 03/19/03 Yep, you do not understand marketing at all - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:53:35 03/19/03 Is *your* car 100% the same as my car????---> - Kyle(Houston) 11:07:02 03/19/03 chip, you're one step ahead of yourself - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 19:43:58 03/19/03 Wouldn't they have to have had it at some point - 96-2+2TT 22:55:56 03/19/03 not my point - HalfnHalf702[HJC] 01:01:52 03/20/03 I wasn't trying to start P-----g match about which - Mal1ce 10:59:12 03/19/03 Exactly, one of the big issues here is this... - Spee 11:14:18 03/19/03 Well said ................ (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 11:43:18 03/19/03 What alchoholics call a moment of clarity :-) (n/m) - YugoBernie (NoVA) 12:26:33 03/19/03 That's one aspect but doesn't the fact that the files are - hoss 13:48:12 03/19/03 To a degree you're correct. Bernie I'm having a moment>> - Todd@Z1 Motorsports 14:02:51 03/19/03 Marketing never was your strength, If I was a high profile - Chip(GinnMotorsports) 10:45:18 03/19/03 Anyone heard of the new Apexi Power FC? (n/m) - niXit 10:49:23 03/19/03 I think what Mal1ce intended was that each shop who - boileralum00 09:55:15 03/19/03 hey mallic as a moderator.... - Halo Z 11:11:53 03/19/03 There are too many differences from car to car > - kuah@splparts.com 11:23:42 03/19/03 *Exactly*...... (n/m) - Kyle(Houston) 11:47:06 03/19/03 As an impartial party, this is my .02 cents (kinda long) - Smurf Z 08:45:07 03/19/03 fwiw. - niXit 09:19:26 03/19/03 MMMMmmmmm...opensource (n/m) - hoss 09:49:28 03/19/03 Incredible info, thanks for sharing (n/m) - NC-Z 09:52:21 03/19/03 Follow the Money:):)n (Very Long) - TwoZs 10:38:02 03/19/03 2nd on the "posting private corrospondence" (n/m) - stumbleshoe 10:45:05 03/19/03 Agreed. Hopefully this will bring prices down! - mm_95TT 00:30:54 03/20/03 What the hell is your no ship surelock all about anyways? (n/m) - SUPRMANZ 11:37:21 03/19/03 FAQ (n/m) - Ed(Toronto) 11:41:28 03/19/03 QAF :-) (n/m) - TARGETZ 12:26:40 03/19/03 I thought that was great info...well done devin (n/m) - Chris(NJ) 12:23:25 03/19/03 Knew one day I'd wake up to this post. - SeedyROM 12:30:15 03/19/03 damn - SactoTodd 12:39:14 03/19/03 You are up already? you sh#t the bed? :-) - TARGETZ 12:42:48 03/19/03 Gotta work until 9pm tonight :( - SeedyROM 12:46:14 03/19/03 I thought it's be sooner... - mm_95TT 22:45:45 03/19/03 I support you for making the info public. - ZHOUND 12:41:26 03/19/03 Ditto, hopefully we can share tuned bin files! (n/m) - mm_95TT 22:50:22 03/19/03 Re: AshZ, being a big cry baby? - sparkie 14:59:15 03/19/03 This takes my vote for "Best Thread, 2003!" Gotta love it! (n/m) - Borg79(Z In Storage) 21:01:58 03/19/03
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